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QUORA: MSM HYSTERIA over HONG KONG debunked

7/1/2020

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HONG KONG CAN’T BE TAKEN OVER BY THE PRC, IT’S BEEN PART OF THE PRC SINCE 1997
 
Vince Dhimos answered a question at Quora by another querier badly smitten by the US propaganda machine. You see what they have done to this poor fellow. They have played with his mind, grotesquely twisting the objective truth, namely, that the US is up to its old colour revolution tricks again, this time deceiving Hong Kongers into believing that it is all Beijing’s fault that rioters are wrecking their city when in fact the PRC isn’t even involved. And now half the world believes this vicious lie and thinks Hong Kong needs to be saved by the US, the country that plunged it into chaos in the first place. This same scenario has played out for decades in different versions and colours. Yet much of the world has yet to see the wizard behind the curtain. They fall for it every time. The PRC knows it is in trouble no matter which way it turns, having fallen victim to another trap set by the crafty manipulators in Washington, but it has decided to step in to put an end to the violence no matter what.
 
https://www.quora.com/Will-the-USA-remain-idle-if-China-tries-to-swallow-Hong-Kong/answer/Vince-Dhimos
 
Will the USA remain idle if China tries to swallow Hong Kong?
 
It’s not a matter of “swallowing” anything. Hong Kong is an autonomous region that BELONGS to the PRC but is independently governed by the locals. The PRC is NOT depriving HK of anything, it is trying to keep the US-backed hooligans from burning everything down and killing the cops. But Americans are so steeped in the anti-China and rah-rah USA propaganda they are exposed to 24/7 from their press and politicians that many of them have long lost the natural empathy that humans are born with.
 
It is a situation analogous to the current riots sweeping the US. Do you suppose the people living in the US areas that are being torched are happy to have their neighbourhoods destroyed? The very same thing applies to Hong Kong. People who live and work in Hong Kong are in danger from these US-sponsored thugs and their main concern now is to see this rioting stopped ASAP. The PRC is finally hearing their pleas for help and is about to step in. It was a tough decision because they know that the US is eager to do as much harm as it can to the Chinese economy and society and to topple a government that serves the people and not politics, as American politicians have done by catering to their billionaire cronies and putting the poor and middle class in a calamitous situation where half of Americans cannot afford health care. PRC officials have their foibles but they have not done this to their people.
 
Imagine if China sponsored criminals to come to your town and burn down shops and endanger the lives of people out on the street? You would be very unhappy with China for doing this. Yet the average American, who is devastated by the hooliganism sweeping his own nation thinks the Hong Kong people should be just thrilled to death that the US is backing criminals to ruin their lives and destroy their property and their environment. And the American government that sponsored this chaos is not doing a THING to protect the lives and property of the Hong Kong people whom they have put in this precarious situation with their regime change effort! Yet many indoctrinated Americans think Hong Kong should be grateful to the meddling bullying USA that is ruining their lives.
 
Let’s try to understand the misery the US is causing elsewhere and have some compassion on the ones America is injuring. It should be easier to understand their plight now that Americans are in the same situation with chaos swirling all around them. Americans could actually be thankful for this rare opportunity to see what it is like to suffer from the disasters the US is creating around the world for others. If Americans can eventually acquire just a smidgen of empathy through all the pain, there will be no more war, no more sanctions and no more regime change operations of the Hong Kong type. And America might just make a few friends again.
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lynette chaplin
7/2/2020 02:14:46 am

Finally a sane article about Hong Kong, thank you.
Yesterday evening I simply turned the sound down when LA7 TV news reported on this subject..

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John M Stassi
7/2/2020 07:57:48 am

Vince:
"Glory to Hong Kong" is the unofficial anthem of the Hong Kong people's struggle for their rights to the same freedoms that you and I and every other citizen of a free and democratic country expect and enjoy.

Thousands of HK citizens have repeatedly gathered together non-violently to sing this song despite its having been banned by the local quislings who serve the interests of the autocratic dictatorship that is the PRC.

CANTONESE VERSION
Sung by people including the elderly and families with children crowded into shopping malls across Hong Kong on Friday, September 13, 2019.
https://youtu.be/tNkAeEdqdUo

Hong Kong protests: arrests as thousands sing protest anthem on anniversary of clashes
Riot police send snatch squads to detain demonstrators throughout night after declaring gatherings illegal
Agence France-Presse in Hong Kong, Fri 12 Jun 2020
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/13/hong-kong-protests-arrests-as-thousands-sing-protest-anthem-on-anniversary-of-clashes

Are we supposed to believe that all of these thousands of everyday HK people are American-sponsored hooligans whose real objective is to trash their own homeland?

It was the view of the late Lee Kuan Yew, autocratic PM of corporate-fascist Singapore, that Chinese people just don't have the same desires for freedom that Caucasian people do:

"What Asians value may not necessarily be what Americans or Europeans value. Westerners value the freedoms and liberties of the individual. As an Asian of Chinese cultural backround, my values are for a government which is honest, effective and efficient."

I'm sure that you don't subscribe to that sort of racist bigotry, Vince, but it seems to me that your understandable and justified fear and loathing of American imperialist crimes sometimes does not take into account the human side of issues like this one.

I'm on the side of my free Chinese brothers and sisters in Hong Kong and Taiwan. I know that their hearts and minds are in the right place, just as mine would be if I were one of them.

Make no mistake: much of the mainstream political and media attention to this issue is not really about the interests of the HK people, just as you suggest. But that does not delegitimize the HK people's struggle for freedom.

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Vince link
7/2/2020 09:35:17 am

I know your views on China, John, and I respect them. I think the best way to sort this out is with polls taken in HK. I think you will agree that we have no right to impose our desires on Hong Kong. The latest poll shows only 17% want freedom from the PRC.
Here is the poll we all need to read and heed:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/01/02/interesting-poll-shows-hong-kongers-not-exactly-against-china/#85d94163b1a8
(Sorry, Disqus doesn't do live links. Copy and paste in your browser.)

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John M Stassi
7/2/2020 12:34:03 pm

Thanks for the link to the poll, Vince. In its entirety, as published by Reuters, the poll shows a kind of divided opinion on the issues of personal freedoms vs independence from PRC among the people of Hong Kong:

Exclusive: Hong Kongers support protester demands; minority wants independence from China - Reuters poll
"Hong Kong’s protest movement is supported by 59% of city residents polled in a survey conducted for Reuters by the Hong Kong Public Opinion Research Institute, with more than a third of respondents saying they had attended an anti-government demonstration. Supporters of the protests outnumbered opponents by a ratio of nearly two to one, with 30% percent saying they were opposed. Of those polled, 57% said they favored the resignation of Carrie Lam, the city’s leader. Lam was a particular target of the anti-government demonstrations that gripped Hong Kong for most of 2019 after she attempted to push through a deeply unpopular extradition bill. Nevertheless, only 17% expressed support for seeking independence from China, and 20% were opposed to “the current path of one country, two systems” - the arrangement under which Hong Kong is governed by Beijing."
James Pomfret, Clare Jim, DECEMBER 31, 2019
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests-poll-exclusive/exclusive-hong-kongers-support-protester-demands-minority-wants-independence-from-china-reuters-poll-idUSKBN1YZ0VK

Let's face it, Hong Kong profits off of its association with the PRC and most people realize that. At the same time most also want to be able to continue to enjoy the freedoms that they are used to having as opposed to the restrictions commonplace in the PRC. So in the last election, according to the Reuters article:

"Widespread discontent was also reflected in city-wide elections for district council seats on Nov. 24, in which pro-democracy candidates won nearly 90% of the 450 seats. While voter participation is usually low in elections for the councils, which oversee things like garbage collection, nearly three million people in the city voted in the November election, or 71% of registered voters. It was the highest turnout in Hong Kong electoral history."

I genuinely like these people and wish them well. Theirs will not be an easy path to continued freedom and prosperity, but they have my sympathy and support.

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