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International relations.

The myth that MUSLIMS and Jews can never get along is DANGEROUS propaganda

2/11/2019

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Vince Dhimos
 
Vince Dhimos on Quora, sums up his thoughts on Israel vs the Arabs and how the issue can be resolved. If you have time and the inclination to do so, you may read the entire exchange here:
 
https://www.quora.com/What-does-decolonization-mean-in-the-context-of-Israel/answer/Gail-Ellis-2/comment/85537717?__nsrc__=4&__snid3__=3902525588
 
You are right about the population exchange between Turkey and Greece, although this was a lot different from the de-population of the no-man’s land populated mostly by Arabs and now called Israel, because both the Turks and the Greeks agreed to it (though again, this is not central to our discussion).
 
But we are dancing around the main issue, and that is: the moral legitimacy of uprooting people from their homes. It doesn’t matter whether you live in a land that is not formally recognized as a country. Wales has that distinction, by the way, and by the Israeli Establishment’s reasoning, the British could uproot them and send them to live in refugee camps. It also doesn’t matter whether you adopt the “Christian” Zionist view that your religion teaches you to support this uprooting. Again, without this pseudo-religious American view, there would be precious little support for the secular state of Israel in the US, the only nation wholeheartedly supporting Israel and its immoral policies. (Because, while Evangelicals make up only about 26% of the US population, their pro-Israel ideas have spread to grassroots Catholics -- 22% -- and the non-religious).
 
What matters is that whole families once lived peacefully in what is now called Israel and these people were violently uprooted to form a nation by people calling themselves Jews*. (BTW, although these Israelis have been trying desperately to enlist genetics to lend them legitimacy to their claim as an ethnicity, so far, there is no definitive study that shows how these people (who also include some black Ethiopians) could be a single ethnicity. I put that in parentheses because it is not part of my main thrust, which is: the morality of uprooting people from their homes to settle other people on what they perceives as their land).
 
Even if you choose to resort to sophist arguments to defend Israel’s inhuman policies, there is a pragmatic aspect of the issue that is compelling: the Muslim world, while represented in part by US puppets like the Saudi dictatorship, whose pro-Israel (or at least Israel-neutral) policies are roundly rejected by their grassroots (whom the royals fear), is made up mostly of nations that do not approve of the displacement of the Arabs in the “Holy Land”, the bloody Israeli apartheid policies, the bombing of civilians in Palestine, the missile attacks on Syria, the US military support for Israel, the — often late-night — raids on homes, etc.
 
Let me concede, however, that the Arab countries were absolutely remiss, immoral and foolish in expelling their native Jewish populations, who now make up a large percentage of the Mizrahi Israelis. The problem with both Semitic groups has been the strong eye-for-an-eye tradition among both Jews and Muslims. The absolute refusal of the majorities of these groups to compromise and, particularly, to forgive and understand the other, is the root of the entire problem.
 
The fact that American so-called “Christians” have so readily accepted this uncompromising stubbornness in human relations is, however, the straw that broke the camel’s back in the Middle East. If US Christians in politics were to adopt the Russian policy of reconciling, forgiving and simply being fair, we would not have this dire situation in our world. I often read comments by US conservatives saying: “kill them all and let Allah (or God) sort it out.” That kind of attitude, generally applied to Muslims, in the most powerful nation on earth, is the main reason we are all losing the struggle for peace.
 
If Christians, Jews and Arabs studied the life and philosophy of Ghandi and their own religious books, they would see that this kind of attitude is not permissible, and if they changed their way of thinking to adapt to their scriptures and to the Ghandian approach, but also to the more-pragmatic Putinian approach, the world would be generally peaceful.
 
One example is in Leviticus, where the people are commanded to love God with all their hearts and all their souls and all their minds, but then in an ensuing passage, to love their fellow men (rey’akha – a broad hard-to-translate term with several meanings, including “your friends” or “your companions”) – as if to say that if you love God, you will love people as a corollary.
 
As a Torah scholar told Jesus 1400 years after this was written, this is the greatest commandment. He was certainly correct.
 
The Torah taught us an important lesson. Jesus taught the same lesson. Ghandi applied this lesson in government and human relations. The Western world never learned it.
 
It is my belief that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is, in his own way, teaching this lesson again in a geopolitical context but this time, with power behind it — the ingredient Ghandi lacked. This time, the Western world – backed into a corner by the economic, military and diplomatic consequences of its own foolishness –  may actually learn it. The hard way.
 
Finally, polls among young Arabs show that, whereas once the Arabs trusted the US more than Russia, this attitude has completely reversed itself and young Arabs now trust Russia and mistrust the US. The main reason for this is that the US unilaterally sides with Israel, ignoring international law and jurisprudence. I therefore firmly believe that if Russia were chosen as the arbiter and guarantor of the peace between the Arabs and the Jews, they would bring peace to the Middle East. It could happen within our lifetime.
 
The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.  Isaiah 11:6

2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.  Matthew 18:2-4 
1 Comment
John McClain
2/16/2019 07:25:17 am

"Every time I look into the Holy Book, I want to tremble, when I read about the part where the Carpenter cleared the Temple, for the buyers and the sellers, are no different fellas than what I profess to be, and it causes me pain to know we're not the People we should be".
I remember this from my teen years, even as an agnostic then, as being a painful reminder of right and wrong, regardless of the fact I wasn't committed.
Paul told us, "I sin daily", not to justify, but to admonish, and advocate an equal will to purge ourselves of our own sin, as we see it, and not wait for another to point it out.
"The World defined 'unlawful war' as 'aggressive war', any war not fought completely in defense", again, with the end of the last world war.
Only those who pursue peace, with vigor, active, and clearing opportunity at every turn, only they are free of taint of war, and We, America, are the most difficult to convince of our own evil.
God Bless you and your mission,
Semper Fidelis,
John McClain
Vanceboro, NC, USA

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